Photo AFP/Marwan Ibrahim
Saturday, May 02, 2009
As we said: We assume Assad knows what the hell we are talking about!
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - An Israeli airstrike against smuggling tunnels on the Gaza-Egypt border killed two people Saturday, a Palestinian medical official said.
So while Turkey is making themselves useful FOR A CHANGE, with having al-Sadr on a visit, Assad can do that as well! And take his #¤## responsibilities to help get the situation stable in Gaza and get through a prisoner swap, so we can get an end on this #¤## killings!
And not just sit there on his A** together with Nazzrollah like #¤# DIVAS on a shrimp sandwich while people are being killed in masses around you!
Two Palestinians were shot amid clashes with settlers that erupted in the Kharbat Safa village near the West Bank city of Hebron on Saturday. An Israeli settler destroyed at least 10 dunums of Palestinian land and damaged at least 140 ...
Meanwhile we also assume Israel have more to do to uphold law and order and avoid that people are being shot and killed!
So while Turkey is making themselves useful FOR A CHANGE, with having al-Sadr on a visit, Assad can do that as well! And take his #¤## responsibilities to help get the situation stable in Gaza and get through a prisoner swap, so we can get an end on this #¤## killings!
And not just sit there on his A** together with Nazzrollah like #¤# DIVAS on a shrimp sandwich while people are being killed in masses around you!
Two Palestinians were shot amid clashes with settlers that erupted in the Kharbat Safa village near the West Bank city of Hebron on Saturday. An Israeli settler destroyed at least 10 dunums of Palestinian land and damaged at least 140 ...
Meanwhile we also assume Israel have more to do to uphold law and order and avoid that people are being shot and killed!
DTP won the elections in the municipality of Igdir that borders to Armenia that had been governed by the ultra-nationalists.
AND THAT´S NOT JUST A "MATTER FOR TURKEY"! YOU SHALL ALL HAVE THAT VERY CLEAR!
DÝHA 02.05.2009 –
Diyarbakýr Mayor Osman Baydemir said that “Our effort for dialog instead of violence,” in his statement related DTP’s hunger strike. On the other hand prisoners will be on hunger strike at the same time with DTP to present their support while other supporters are taking the road for hunger strike from other cities. Baydemir has made a press statement in the context of DTP’s 2 days hunger strike in Diyarbakýr. Emphasizing peace he said that; we are going to put effort to keep silent the guns and keep political policy is on the agenda. Currently there is a good opportunity for dialog and it should be used for good reason such as peace, ceasefire before too late. On the other hand supporters of DTP began to take the road through Diyarbakýr from different cities such as Istanbul, Þanlýurfa, Hakkari etc. Lastly there are 40 busses hit the road from Hakkari to support hunger strike. According to prisoners’ statement prisoners in all around Turkey’s prisons will go on 2 days hunger strike at the same time with DTP. DTP had made a decision to go on hunger strike on May 3-4 due to protest ongoing oppressions on DTP.
Türk:“THE violations will not prevent the conference from taking place.
May 01 2009
There actually was a positive atmosphere. Arrangements for the Kurdish Conference that was, for the first time, going to bring the representative of the Kurds from all around Middle East, were being made, and it was thought/hoped this conference would bring a comprehensive solution to the Kurdish Question, and that it would be a first step towards disarmament of the PKK. Suddenly the arrest of the DTP officials came. hundreds of DTP officials were arrested. But the real striking development came after these arrests.
One Special Forces police knocked out a 14 year-old kid, who was among a group of kids that were protesting in a rural area, to the ground and started to hit his head with the butt of his weapon over and over again, and kicked him as much as he could. With the Co-chair of Democratic Society Party Ahmet Türk we talked about how he saw these events. We asked questions about the future of the Kurdish Conference that is supposed to be taking place in Hewlêr (Erbil) and hosted by Barzani, how to avoid the violence that is being escalated by Turkey´s forces, and whether there will be some reciprocal gestures to soften the current atmosphere.
Ahmet Türk. NEÞE DÜZEL: There is a big operation going on against the DTP officials. What do you think about timing of this violations?
AHMET TÜRK: We expected some different developments in Turkey after the victory of the DTP on the local elections. We thought, “Either the high percentage we received will not be tolerated and the atmosphere would get more intense, or people’s support to the DTP will be accepted and the logic for solving the Kurdish Question will develop”. The first anticipation came true, the fact that DTP doubled its vote and became first party in the Kurdish Area in the 29 March local elections was not tolerated and the operations started.
ND: Who are the ones that did not tolerate the election results?
AT: At the forefront there is the political power (AKP). But it is not an operation that the government developed by itself. Politics are warded/under custody in Turkey. When the subject is the Kurdish Questions, AKP and the ones who ward the politics in Turkey come to an agreement on continuity of the 80 years-old policy of irresolution that halts the solution of the problem through democratic and peaceful means. After all we know that AKP was not shut down because they accepted such an agreement.
ND: Are you saying that the violations against the DTP officials is just a result of the local elections?
AT: That is the first reason. The second reason is PKK’s statement after the elections. PKK stated this: “Kurdish people supported DTP in the elections. We value this support. To open the road for the peaceful solution we will silence (Ceasefire) the weapons until June 1st”. They also hinted that if there was any positive development that they will extend the ceasefire. This is it. The ones are getting richer from this the warlords got worried. Because they know that if the Kurdish Question is resolved by democratic means, Turkey’s EU process will accelerate and they will lose power. The ones opposing to the peaceful solution of the problem, stepped in. The third reason for the operation against DTP the possibility of peace in the Kurdish region. The Kurds live in four countries Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria in the Middle East. Kurdish politicians of all four parts are in search for reaching a common decision of what the demands of the Kurdish people are, and to start the peace period in this region. This also disturbed the state. To stop all of these peaceful developments it attacked the DTP.
ND: PKK ended its ceasefire because of this violations; do you think it is the right decision to end the ceasefire?
AT: PKK did not end the ceasefire. They made a statement on last Thursday saying, “ It is obvious that the state does not want solve the Kurdish Question. But we will honor our decision as we stated before until June 1st”.
ND: Considering the violations will continue, do you think it is the right decision to end the ceasefire after June 1st?
AT: Our hope is that the ceasefire will continue. Kurdish Question cannot be solved with weapons. It can be solved with democracy. We never wanted the weapons to reappear in the agenda. We know that weapons cause suffering and tears. But we need to be realistic. To make peace requires political will and determination. If there is not a political power that wants peace and believes in peace there cannot be a one-sided solution. The state needs to enter in the process of saying, “yes” to the demands for peace. Any person with a reasonable mind should not take any kind of role in resurgence of the time of the weapons. We are worried about this, which is why we are shouting, “lets sit down and solve this problem with mutual dialog”.
ND: Who should be sitting mutually to solve the problem?
AT: There are sides of this problem. If the government is the executive organ and is there with public’s will then we will base ourselves on this and inform the government of our demands. But there is no dialog between the government and us.
ND: Have you held any kind of meetings with the AKP government or the prime minister as DTP?
AT: We cannot see the government when we look for it. We have asked them to have talks but this did not come to fruition.
ND: The Kurdish Conference is supposed to take place soon in Hewlêr (Erbil). Are these violations going to prevent the Kurdish Conference from taking place?
AT: They will not. The important thing here is the determination of the Kurds to hold such a joint conference together. Even though the DTP officials are being arrested, we will continue with our struggle to improve the democratic process and determination to create the dialog atmosphere. Of course we will not back down against the oppression that is inflicted upon us, while doing this. They should not think: “We have arrested hundreds of DTP officials, and this is the end of the DTP”. This part will not end. We will raise our voice and democratic objections against these arrests by our actions and statements.
AT: Until this very day, when a Kurd asks for his identity, culture, language he is declared as a terrorist. Kurdish people’s demand for its identity, culture and language was considered as treason, as ethno-nationalism, as a movement to divide the country. I say: “PKK’s ceasefire until June 1st is an important step for peace”. Because I said such a thing I could be sued tomorrow and I could be tried for being a member of the PKK. Our arrested friends are not saying anything different from this. They also, like me, are making observations. And are trying to open/clear the road for democratic politics. Whether we like it or not PKK is a reality. After DTP was strengthened even more in the elections PKK stated: “ We should give a chance to the DTP as they have the support of the (Kurdish) people. This was a positive decision. This was a chance. But the state immediately did the opposite. They tried to stop this decision by the violations against the DTP.
We need understand the developments in the world well. Say, some steps are taken for peace and we as the DTP had talks with the government and the state. At the end of these talks, will the state not ask us “OK, so if I do these, will the PKK lay down the arms”? Yes, it will. So then, the PKK is a reality and has a role in all these. If you consider identification of this role as having link with the PKK you cannot get any results. You have to take into account whether the PKK will accept the policies and projects for the peace.
In the past, Mandela also served in the prison, he was sentenced as a terrorist, but when the conditions changed and there was an atmosphere for the dialog, nobody said “Mandela is a terrorist”. He received the (Nobel) peace prize.
ND: You are being investigated because you said Abdullah Öcalan was similar to Mandela
AT: I am saying this in terms of processes. Otherwise I don’t think anyone is similar another one. And nobody needs to be similar to someone else. But the historic process functions like this. The conditions are set up, and the talks take place. We can give IRA as an example.
ND: Are you saying that at the end they will have to talk to Öcalan?
AT: Öcalan says: “I believe in peace, and want peace. This problem cannot be solved with the weapons anymore. Talk to me so that I can contribute in the peace process”. And he points to the Kurds, to the NGOs and the DTP as the address to which they should be going to hold the peace talks.
ND: Was the DTP invited to the Kurdish Conference in Hewlêr (Erbil)?
AT: Of course Since this idea was developed we have been holding talks. We said that: “All the Kurds should attend this conference.
ND: Is the PKK included within this?
AT: Of course. Everybody should attend. In the end it is the PKK that has the weapons in their hands. It is the PKK that is being discussed. All of the policies that are developed and all of the events taking place are based on it. When you exclude it, what is the point of holding that conference then?
We will look at how this conference will be structured and how much it will be based on the solutions to the problem. Why would we attend an ineffective/vain conference? It should be an effective conference where one could reach some conclusions. It is said: “We are holding the conference to disarm the PKK. That is what Talabani says also. And it draws criticism from the Kurdish people for not conveying the demands of the Kurdish people to the AKP government. Because you cannot hold a conference just to disarm a group. Naturally, our main demand also is to create a world without the arms. But if there is not a project that will grant/meet the demands of the Kurdish people for its identity, culture and right to receive education in Kurdish, and decentralization in government, this will be in vain from the beginning.
The important issue here is that the demands of the Kurdish people are met. Even if it cannot be done in one day, the preparations could be made. There are many examples of this in the world. For instance, there is the case of South Africa.
ND: Which solution case are you taking as an example from the world?
AT: None of the problems seems exactly alike, but in the end everywhere in the world in order to achieve peace and solution, the preparations have been made, the sides have discussed the issue and a will for peace has been formed. The common thing everywhere is that, the governments have acted with the aim of “ I will save my people and my country from this chaos” to bring the peace in a determined fashion.
We have never lost our hope for peace and we never will. Without protecting this hope for peace, we cannot do politics anyway. We say: “Do not continue with the strategy of denial and annihilation. Peace will certainly arrive. Kurdish people’s cultural and identity rights will definitely be granted. Within the territorial integrity of the Republic of Turkey an environment of equality will be created. Lets develop our democracy as soon as possible”. For the last violations indicate that there are some who are determined to prevent the democratic solution from taking place.
ND: What should be done to solve the Kurdish Question within a peaceful framework?
AT: We are very clear and open about this subject. The (identity) rights of the Kurdish people should be guaranteed and put in the constitution. A new constitution should be prepared and this constitution should be written in a manner that accepts the differences as richness. We also are citizens of the Republic of Turkey. The Kurdish citizens should be granted whatever rights the Turkish citizens have. Within the framework of the Democratic Autonomy Project, regional governments should be strengthened/supported and regions based on their needs should be able to make decisions about their economic, social and educational matter. The schools that teach in Kurdish should be opened. For instance they show TRT6 (Þeþ) as a development.
ND: Is it not a development?
AT: But the Kurds cannot determine the programs of TRT6. I actually asked in England. There are three million Welsh people. They have to learn Welsh in Wales and it is obligatory. They told me that: “ We are so much assimilated that only 5% of our population could speak Welsh. But now it is 20%. And among the young generation it is 40%”. English government distributes 120 million pounds every year to private television channels to support the improvement of the Welsh culture. This is a recognition and protection of a right. TRT6 is, on the other hand, abuse of a right. These are what we want
ND: If these conditions are prepared will the PKK lay down its arms?
AT: There is not a difference between what we say and what they say. The demands are almost the same. These are Kurdish people’s general demands. I have to abide by the demands of the Kurdish people. So does the PKK.
ND: Under what conditions/circumstances will the PKK lay down its arms in your opinion?
AT: The state has to be open and transparent. Once you bring them down from the mountains, are you going to imprison them or are you going to put them among the society and open the way of the democratic politics for them? These issues should be openly discussed.
ND: Are there differences in the points of view between Barzani and the DTP?
AT: We are politicians that live in separate countries. Every country’s conditions and demands are different. If I were in Iraq today, I would ask for federation. Because, the Kurds of Iraq were part of the Ottoman Empire. Without internalizing the situation they were brought together with the Arabs, and they never came together. The situation in Turkey is different. The Kurds and the Turks have a chance of living together. Because, they really have been living together for a thousand years. We defend the concept of a democratic autonomous government. We want to empower the regional administrations/governments.
ND: What will the DTP offer to enable the peace?
AT: This should be understood by now. The Kurds are not in search of secession from Turkey. The Kurds want to solve this problem on the basis of equal rights with respect to the territorial integrity of the Republic of Turkey. If it is believe that this what the Kurds want, solving the problem is not that hard. Because this is where the problem arises. Since the foundation of the nation-state the Kurds are seen as the potential danger. Some people should realize that the Kurds do not want to divide this country and get rid of this idea and their fears based upon this.
ND: Do you think that it is possible to make some reciprocal gestures to soften the atmosphere until a permanent peace is achieved?
AT: There is need for this. Gestures should certainly be made to surface the sincerity for peace and solution.
ND: Can the PKK order its militants out of border as a gesture?
AT: Of course If they know that there is a serious effort for peace, and that they will not be trapped why not? First, an atmosphere of trust should be developed. These things were done in the past and during pull out 300-400 militants/guerillas of the PKK were killed. In addition to that in the past a peace group came. Following that other groups were also going to come but when the ones that came in were sentenced to 15-20 years it ended there.
ND: What should the Turkish and Kurdish politicians do in order to put the Kurds and the Turks into a peace atmosphere?
AT: The Turkish democrats have an important duty in order to stop the rising nationalist perceptions. Today, the Turkish intellectuals should support the efforts of the DTP to solve the Kurdish Question in Turkey within democracy and they should spread this belief and trust to the people, the way Sartre and French intellectuals opposed to invasion of Algeria in France in the past.
ND: Don’t the Kurds want to secede and found their own country?
AT: Some might want this, but the politicians have to think about the societal realities, and understand how much harm ethno-nationalism causes to peoples in today’s world. We are against the concept of nation-state and are for the “democratic-state”. We do not have the right to make peoples kill each other by bringing nationalism to the forefront in a world where countries form unions, and EU is developed.
ND: Do you think that the nation-state is a very bloody process?
AT: Yes. In today’s World we don’t need to found nation-state. There is need for equal citizenship, and democratic state. But some people do not want change in this country. They want to keep the status quo. Because those some people will lose their ward on the politics when the Kurdish Question is resolved and Turkey is more democratic.
DÝHA 02.05.2009 –
Diyarbakýr Mayor Osman Baydemir said that “Our effort for dialog instead of violence,” in his statement related DTP’s hunger strike. On the other hand prisoners will be on hunger strike at the same time with DTP to present their support while other supporters are taking the road for hunger strike from other cities. Baydemir has made a press statement in the context of DTP’s 2 days hunger strike in Diyarbakýr. Emphasizing peace he said that; we are going to put effort to keep silent the guns and keep political policy is on the agenda. Currently there is a good opportunity for dialog and it should be used for good reason such as peace, ceasefire before too late. On the other hand supporters of DTP began to take the road through Diyarbakýr from different cities such as Istanbul, Þanlýurfa, Hakkari etc. Lastly there are 40 busses hit the road from Hakkari to support hunger strike. According to prisoners’ statement prisoners in all around Turkey’s prisons will go on 2 days hunger strike at the same time with DTP. DTP had made a decision to go on hunger strike on May 3-4 due to protest ongoing oppressions on DTP.
Türk:“THE violations will not prevent the conference from taking place.
May 01 2009
There actually was a positive atmosphere. Arrangements for the Kurdish Conference that was, for the first time, going to bring the representative of the Kurds from all around Middle East, were being made, and it was thought/hoped this conference would bring a comprehensive solution to the Kurdish Question, and that it would be a first step towards disarmament of the PKK. Suddenly the arrest of the DTP officials came. hundreds of DTP officials were arrested. But the real striking development came after these arrests.
One Special Forces police knocked out a 14 year-old kid, who was among a group of kids that were protesting in a rural area, to the ground and started to hit his head with the butt of his weapon over and over again, and kicked him as much as he could. With the Co-chair of Democratic Society Party Ahmet Türk we talked about how he saw these events. We asked questions about the future of the Kurdish Conference that is supposed to be taking place in Hewlêr (Erbil) and hosted by Barzani, how to avoid the violence that is being escalated by Turkey´s forces, and whether there will be some reciprocal gestures to soften the current atmosphere.
Ahmet Türk. NEÞE DÜZEL: There is a big operation going on against the DTP officials. What do you think about timing of this violations?
AHMET TÜRK: We expected some different developments in Turkey after the victory of the DTP on the local elections. We thought, “Either the high percentage we received will not be tolerated and the atmosphere would get more intense, or people’s support to the DTP will be accepted and the logic for solving the Kurdish Question will develop”. The first anticipation came true, the fact that DTP doubled its vote and became first party in the Kurdish Area in the 29 March local elections was not tolerated and the operations started.
ND: Who are the ones that did not tolerate the election results?
AT: At the forefront there is the political power (AKP). But it is not an operation that the government developed by itself. Politics are warded/under custody in Turkey. When the subject is the Kurdish Questions, AKP and the ones who ward the politics in Turkey come to an agreement on continuity of the 80 years-old policy of irresolution that halts the solution of the problem through democratic and peaceful means. After all we know that AKP was not shut down because they accepted such an agreement.
ND: Are you saying that the violations against the DTP officials is just a result of the local elections?
AT: That is the first reason. The second reason is PKK’s statement after the elections. PKK stated this: “Kurdish people supported DTP in the elections. We value this support. To open the road for the peaceful solution we will silence (Ceasefire) the weapons until June 1st”. They also hinted that if there was any positive development that they will extend the ceasefire. This is it. The ones are getting richer from this the warlords got worried. Because they know that if the Kurdish Question is resolved by democratic means, Turkey’s EU process will accelerate and they will lose power. The ones opposing to the peaceful solution of the problem, stepped in. The third reason for the operation against DTP the possibility of peace in the Kurdish region. The Kurds live in four countries Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria in the Middle East. Kurdish politicians of all four parts are in search for reaching a common decision of what the demands of the Kurdish people are, and to start the peace period in this region. This also disturbed the state. To stop all of these peaceful developments it attacked the DTP.
ND: PKK ended its ceasefire because of this violations; do you think it is the right decision to end the ceasefire?
AT: PKK did not end the ceasefire. They made a statement on last Thursday saying, “ It is obvious that the state does not want solve the Kurdish Question. But we will honor our decision as we stated before until June 1st”.
ND: Considering the violations will continue, do you think it is the right decision to end the ceasefire after June 1st?
AT: Our hope is that the ceasefire will continue. Kurdish Question cannot be solved with weapons. It can be solved with democracy. We never wanted the weapons to reappear in the agenda. We know that weapons cause suffering and tears. But we need to be realistic. To make peace requires political will and determination. If there is not a political power that wants peace and believes in peace there cannot be a one-sided solution. The state needs to enter in the process of saying, “yes” to the demands for peace. Any person with a reasonable mind should not take any kind of role in resurgence of the time of the weapons. We are worried about this, which is why we are shouting, “lets sit down and solve this problem with mutual dialog”.
ND: Who should be sitting mutually to solve the problem?
AT: There are sides of this problem. If the government is the executive organ and is there with public’s will then we will base ourselves on this and inform the government of our demands. But there is no dialog between the government and us.
ND: Have you held any kind of meetings with the AKP government or the prime minister as DTP?
AT: We cannot see the government when we look for it. We have asked them to have talks but this did not come to fruition.
ND: The Kurdish Conference is supposed to take place soon in Hewlêr (Erbil). Are these violations going to prevent the Kurdish Conference from taking place?
AT: They will not. The important thing here is the determination of the Kurds to hold such a joint conference together. Even though the DTP officials are being arrested, we will continue with our struggle to improve the democratic process and determination to create the dialog atmosphere. Of course we will not back down against the oppression that is inflicted upon us, while doing this. They should not think: “We have arrested hundreds of DTP officials, and this is the end of the DTP”. This part will not end. We will raise our voice and democratic objections against these arrests by our actions and statements.
AT: Until this very day, when a Kurd asks for his identity, culture, language he is declared as a terrorist. Kurdish people’s demand for its identity, culture and language was considered as treason, as ethno-nationalism, as a movement to divide the country. I say: “PKK’s ceasefire until June 1st is an important step for peace”. Because I said such a thing I could be sued tomorrow and I could be tried for being a member of the PKK. Our arrested friends are not saying anything different from this. They also, like me, are making observations. And are trying to open/clear the road for democratic politics. Whether we like it or not PKK is a reality. After DTP was strengthened even more in the elections PKK stated: “ We should give a chance to the DTP as they have the support of the (Kurdish) people. This was a positive decision. This was a chance. But the state immediately did the opposite. They tried to stop this decision by the violations against the DTP.
We need understand the developments in the world well. Say, some steps are taken for peace and we as the DTP had talks with the government and the state. At the end of these talks, will the state not ask us “OK, so if I do these, will the PKK lay down the arms”? Yes, it will. So then, the PKK is a reality and has a role in all these. If you consider identification of this role as having link with the PKK you cannot get any results. You have to take into account whether the PKK will accept the policies and projects for the peace.
In the past, Mandela also served in the prison, he was sentenced as a terrorist, but when the conditions changed and there was an atmosphere for the dialog, nobody said “Mandela is a terrorist”. He received the (Nobel) peace prize.
ND: You are being investigated because you said Abdullah Öcalan was similar to Mandela
AT: I am saying this in terms of processes. Otherwise I don’t think anyone is similar another one. And nobody needs to be similar to someone else. But the historic process functions like this. The conditions are set up, and the talks take place. We can give IRA as an example.
ND: Are you saying that at the end they will have to talk to Öcalan?
AT: Öcalan says: “I believe in peace, and want peace. This problem cannot be solved with the weapons anymore. Talk to me so that I can contribute in the peace process”. And he points to the Kurds, to the NGOs and the DTP as the address to which they should be going to hold the peace talks.
ND: Was the DTP invited to the Kurdish Conference in Hewlêr (Erbil)?
AT: Of course Since this idea was developed we have been holding talks. We said that: “All the Kurds should attend this conference.
ND: Is the PKK included within this?
AT: Of course. Everybody should attend. In the end it is the PKK that has the weapons in their hands. It is the PKK that is being discussed. All of the policies that are developed and all of the events taking place are based on it. When you exclude it, what is the point of holding that conference then?
We will look at how this conference will be structured and how much it will be based on the solutions to the problem. Why would we attend an ineffective/vain conference? It should be an effective conference where one could reach some conclusions. It is said: “We are holding the conference to disarm the PKK. That is what Talabani says also. And it draws criticism from the Kurdish people for not conveying the demands of the Kurdish people to the AKP government. Because you cannot hold a conference just to disarm a group. Naturally, our main demand also is to create a world without the arms. But if there is not a project that will grant/meet the demands of the Kurdish people for its identity, culture and right to receive education in Kurdish, and decentralization in government, this will be in vain from the beginning.
The important issue here is that the demands of the Kurdish people are met. Even if it cannot be done in one day, the preparations could be made. There are many examples of this in the world. For instance, there is the case of South Africa.
ND: Which solution case are you taking as an example from the world?
AT: None of the problems seems exactly alike, but in the end everywhere in the world in order to achieve peace and solution, the preparations have been made, the sides have discussed the issue and a will for peace has been formed. The common thing everywhere is that, the governments have acted with the aim of “ I will save my people and my country from this chaos” to bring the peace in a determined fashion.
We have never lost our hope for peace and we never will. Without protecting this hope for peace, we cannot do politics anyway. We say: “Do not continue with the strategy of denial and annihilation. Peace will certainly arrive. Kurdish people’s cultural and identity rights will definitely be granted. Within the territorial integrity of the Republic of Turkey an environment of equality will be created. Lets develop our democracy as soon as possible”. For the last violations indicate that there are some who are determined to prevent the democratic solution from taking place.
ND: What should be done to solve the Kurdish Question within a peaceful framework?
AT: We are very clear and open about this subject. The (identity) rights of the Kurdish people should be guaranteed and put in the constitution. A new constitution should be prepared and this constitution should be written in a manner that accepts the differences as richness. We also are citizens of the Republic of Turkey. The Kurdish citizens should be granted whatever rights the Turkish citizens have. Within the framework of the Democratic Autonomy Project, regional governments should be strengthened/supported and regions based on their needs should be able to make decisions about their economic, social and educational matter. The schools that teach in Kurdish should be opened. For instance they show TRT6 (Þeþ) as a development.
ND: Is it not a development?
AT: But the Kurds cannot determine the programs of TRT6. I actually asked in England. There are three million Welsh people. They have to learn Welsh in Wales and it is obligatory. They told me that: “ We are so much assimilated that only 5% of our population could speak Welsh. But now it is 20%. And among the young generation it is 40%”. English government distributes 120 million pounds every year to private television channels to support the improvement of the Welsh culture. This is a recognition and protection of a right. TRT6 is, on the other hand, abuse of a right. These are what we want
ND: If these conditions are prepared will the PKK lay down its arms?
AT: There is not a difference between what we say and what they say. The demands are almost the same. These are Kurdish people’s general demands. I have to abide by the demands of the Kurdish people. So does the PKK.
ND: Under what conditions/circumstances will the PKK lay down its arms in your opinion?
AT: The state has to be open and transparent. Once you bring them down from the mountains, are you going to imprison them or are you going to put them among the society and open the way of the democratic politics for them? These issues should be openly discussed.
ND: Are there differences in the points of view between Barzani and the DTP?
AT: We are politicians that live in separate countries. Every country’s conditions and demands are different. If I were in Iraq today, I would ask for federation. Because, the Kurds of Iraq were part of the Ottoman Empire. Without internalizing the situation they were brought together with the Arabs, and they never came together. The situation in Turkey is different. The Kurds and the Turks have a chance of living together. Because, they really have been living together for a thousand years. We defend the concept of a democratic autonomous government. We want to empower the regional administrations/governments.
ND: What will the DTP offer to enable the peace?
AT: This should be understood by now. The Kurds are not in search of secession from Turkey. The Kurds want to solve this problem on the basis of equal rights with respect to the territorial integrity of the Republic of Turkey. If it is believe that this what the Kurds want, solving the problem is not that hard. Because this is where the problem arises. Since the foundation of the nation-state the Kurds are seen as the potential danger. Some people should realize that the Kurds do not want to divide this country and get rid of this idea and their fears based upon this.
ND: Do you think that it is possible to make some reciprocal gestures to soften the atmosphere until a permanent peace is achieved?
AT: There is need for this. Gestures should certainly be made to surface the sincerity for peace and solution.
ND: Can the PKK order its militants out of border as a gesture?
AT: Of course If they know that there is a serious effort for peace, and that they will not be trapped why not? First, an atmosphere of trust should be developed. These things were done in the past and during pull out 300-400 militants/guerillas of the PKK were killed. In addition to that in the past a peace group came. Following that other groups were also going to come but when the ones that came in were sentenced to 15-20 years it ended there.
ND: What should the Turkish and Kurdish politicians do in order to put the Kurds and the Turks into a peace atmosphere?
AT: The Turkish democrats have an important duty in order to stop the rising nationalist perceptions. Today, the Turkish intellectuals should support the efforts of the DTP to solve the Kurdish Question in Turkey within democracy and they should spread this belief and trust to the people, the way Sartre and French intellectuals opposed to invasion of Algeria in France in the past.
ND: Don’t the Kurds want to secede and found their own country?
AT: Some might want this, but the politicians have to think about the societal realities, and understand how much harm ethno-nationalism causes to peoples in today’s world. We are against the concept of nation-state and are for the “democratic-state”. We do not have the right to make peoples kill each other by bringing nationalism to the forefront in a world where countries form unions, and EU is developed.
ND: Do you think that the nation-state is a very bloody process?
AT: Yes. In today’s World we don’t need to found nation-state. There is need for equal citizenship, and democratic state. But some people do not want change in this country. They want to keep the status quo. Because those some people will lose their ward on the politics when the Kurdish Question is resolved and Turkey is more democratic.
Well..Yeah...Congratulations! Or something..
BAGHDAD / Aswat al-Iraq: An Iraqi parliamentarian on Saturday said that the Parliament had stressed the addition of an article about Iraq’s share of water to the Iraqi-Turkish agreement as a condition for signing the pact. “During its today’s session, the Parliament recommended the cancelation of a vote on the draft resolution on a comprehensive Iraqi-Turkish agreement due to the absence of an article stipulating Iraq’s share of water,” a member of the agriculture, water and marshes committee, Mohan al-Makoutar, told Aswat al-Iraq news agency. Earlier today, the Iraqi parliament held a session under Speaker Iyad al-Samarraie to vote on a comprehensive Iraqi-Turkish agreement.
We would just be very interested in how that pact will look like! As you already know..We assume..
SULAIMANIYA, Iraq (Reuters) - Iran shelled Kurdish rebel positions in a remote area of northern Iraq's largely autonomous Kurdistan region Saturday, a spokesman for the Kurdish Peshmerga border guards said.
Just every one just #¤## forget about that any "matters are just for Turkey", Iran or who ever! There are no such thing as "some matters are just for who ever it suits"!
BAGHDAD – A would-be suicide bomber tackled by guards on the doorstep of a mosque in northern Iraq is a Syrian linked to al-Qaida in Iraq, police said Saturday, detailing the capture that could provide new leads on other insurgent operations. The details emerged a day after XXXXX, 19, was arrested by guards who became suspicious as he approached the main gate of a Shiite mosque in the disputed city of Kirkuk. A guard tackled him as he continued toward the mosque's main hall, grabbing the attacker's hands to prevent him from detonating an explosives belt. The belt was packed with grenades containing about 55 pounds (25 kilograms) of explosives that were connected to the suspect's digital watch, the officer said. Word about the would-be bomber spread quickly inside the mosque, where Friday service was under way. Panicked worshippers started to flee, some cutting themselves on broken glass as they tried to jump through windows to escape.
"Operations" in northern Iraq and smuggling routes used to bring people from Syria — long considered one of the main pipelines for insurgents recruits from across the region. It also comes as a welcome success for Iraqi security forces, troubled by public complaints following a series of recent high-profile bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere. A roadside bomb also exploded near a car and a cement mixer in a southern section of the city of Kirkuk on Saturday, killing at least three civilians and wounding three others, according to police. The would be bomber traveled from Syria to the northern city of Mosul about a week ago, then arrived Wednesday in Kirkuk, where he was moved from safehouse to safehouse in mainly Sunni areas, the police officer said. Kirkuk police chief Maj. Gen. Torhan Abdul-Rahman Youssef confirmed the details and said XXXXX has been an al-Qaida operative in Iraq for the past four years and has confessed to participation in many operations in Diyala province and Baghdad. He was being treated for serious head injuries at a hospital in Kirkuk after being beaten by guards and worshippers at the scene, police said.
By Sinan Salaheddin, AP
We would just be very interested in how that pact will look like! As you already know..We assume..
SULAIMANIYA, Iraq (Reuters) - Iran shelled Kurdish rebel positions in a remote area of northern Iraq's largely autonomous Kurdistan region Saturday, a spokesman for the Kurdish Peshmerga border guards said.
Just every one just #¤## forget about that any "matters are just for Turkey", Iran or who ever! There are no such thing as "some matters are just for who ever it suits"!
BAGHDAD – A would-be suicide bomber tackled by guards on the doorstep of a mosque in northern Iraq is a Syrian linked to al-Qaida in Iraq, police said Saturday, detailing the capture that could provide new leads on other insurgent operations. The details emerged a day after XXXXX, 19, was arrested by guards who became suspicious as he approached the main gate of a Shiite mosque in the disputed city of Kirkuk. A guard tackled him as he continued toward the mosque's main hall, grabbing the attacker's hands to prevent him from detonating an explosives belt. The belt was packed with grenades containing about 55 pounds (25 kilograms) of explosives that were connected to the suspect's digital watch, the officer said. Word about the would-be bomber spread quickly inside the mosque, where Friday service was under way. Panicked worshippers started to flee, some cutting themselves on broken glass as they tried to jump through windows to escape.
"Operations" in northern Iraq and smuggling routes used to bring people from Syria — long considered one of the main pipelines for insurgents recruits from across the region. It also comes as a welcome success for Iraqi security forces, troubled by public complaints following a series of recent high-profile bombings in Baghdad and elsewhere. A roadside bomb also exploded near a car and a cement mixer in a southern section of the city of Kirkuk on Saturday, killing at least three civilians and wounding three others, according to police. The would be bomber traveled from Syria to the northern city of Mosul about a week ago, then arrived Wednesday in Kirkuk, where he was moved from safehouse to safehouse in mainly Sunni areas, the police officer said. Kirkuk police chief Maj. Gen. Torhan Abdul-Rahman Youssef confirmed the details and said XXXXX has been an al-Qaida operative in Iraq for the past four years and has confessed to participation in many operations in Diyala province and Baghdad. He was being treated for serious head injuries at a hospital in Kirkuk after being beaten by guards and worshippers at the scene, police said.
By Sinan Salaheddin, AP
There are no justifications to keep the Gaza citizens suffering..
GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes bombed tunnels beneath the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt on Saturday after militants fired several mortars at the Jewish state from the coastal territory, witnesses said. Ma’an - UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Robert Serry was in Gaza Thursday on a mission to assess the situation. “The situation is really alarming,” Serry said, and noted that fulfilling humanitarian needs and early recovery efforts would be impossible without adequate fuel, cash, and repair materials coming into the area through the Israeli crossing points. “Better access is crucial,” he said. Serry stressed the need to rebuild homes in Gaza and offer civilians protection from the “sweltering summer” rapidly approaching. He said the UN is “ready to help” in importing construction materials and will take responsibility to “ensure that imported building supplies are only used for their intended purposes.”The peace coordinator did not overlook political obstacles to Gaza reconstruction and noted that “in the absence of real progress on issues like Palestinian reconciliation, open crossings, secure borders and a prisoners exchange, the potential for renewed violence is ever-present. That would be disastrous for people in Gaza as well as Southern Israel. We’ve got to change this dynamic, with political progress, and with practical results on the ground,” Serry concluded.
So if every #¤## psychopath and criminal with their "bilateral meetings", "democracy and liberation's" speak to the other psychopaths and criminals in Damascus where Kurds disappear, and where Turkey is busy speaking with the only results that Kurds, Iraqis and Palestinians gets killed, to help get through a prisoner swap, there should actually be NO NEED for tunnels, bombing tunnels, death Palestinian youths in tunnels or people dying Gaza under a siege and a dictatorship under Damascus, Turkey and every one else!
Assad was educated in Britain so we assume he understands what the hell you are saying!
So if every #¤## psychopath and criminal with their "bilateral meetings", "democracy and liberation's" speak to the other psychopaths and criminals in Damascus where Kurds disappear, and where Turkey is busy speaking with the only results that Kurds, Iraqis and Palestinians gets killed, to help get through a prisoner swap, there should actually be NO NEED for tunnels, bombing tunnels, death Palestinian youths in tunnels or people dying Gaza under a siege and a dictatorship under Damascus, Turkey and every one else!
Assad was educated in Britain so we assume he understands what the hell you are saying!
"Liberated"..
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Friday, May 01, 2009
"The Kurds tend to be shot rather than taken prisoners"!!
In March 1917, British commander Lt.-General Stanley Maude, issued a proclamation upon entering Baghdad declaring that “Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies, but as liberators.” British “liberators” proceeded to use poison gas against Iraqi rebels. (Photo: New York Times) It all goes back to the seizure of the Near East by the Western powers during and after World War I. As Marxists declared at the time, that was not a war to “make the world safe for democracy,” as U.S. president Woodrow Wilson sanctimoniously claimed. Rather, it was over the division of the world by the imperialists and the redistribution of their respective colonies. WWI saw the break-up of the Ottoman Empire in the Near East, whose capital Constantinople became Istanbul, the metropolis of modern Turkey. Out of the remnants of that decrepit empire, a series of artificial states were created which arbitrarily divided up and threw together various peoples of the Arab East. Under League of Nations “mandates,” France got Syria and Lebanon, while Britain got Palestine, Jordan and Iraq. The birth of Iraq was presided over by Winston Churchill. At the time Churchill was British secretary of state for the colonies. Repeatedly from 1919 on, the population of what is now Iraq rose up against the Hashemite ruler and his British patrons. In June 1920, a full-scale rebellion broke out. British garrisons were taken by surprise as the revolt spread throughout the lower Euphrates valley. But by February 1921, the revolt had been crushed, with between 8,000 and 9,000 "rebels" killed. This was accomplished mainly through the use of air power, by the Royal Air Force (RAF), which mercilessly bombed the "insurgents" using incendiary weapons and poison gas. Before the outbreak of the rebellion, the RAF asked Churchill in 1919 for permission to use chemical weapons “against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment.”
Churchill (then secretary of state for war) in turn asked experts if it would be possible to use “some kind of asphyxiating bombs calculated to cause disablement of some kind but not death…for use in preliminary operations against "turbulent tribes.” He added: “I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against "uncivilised tribes” which “spread a lively terror.” General Sir Aylmer Haldane wrote that poison gas was more useful against the hilly Kurdish redoubts, while “in the hot plains…the gas is more volatile” (quoted in Geoff Simmons, Iraq: From Sumer to Saddam [MacMillan Press, 1994]). In fact, the weapons used by the RAF in its “civilizing mission” against the “turbulent tribes” were quite lethal. The British cabinet was squeamish, but Churchill argued that use of gas should not be prevented “by the prejudices of those who do not think clearly.” Eventually, poison gas was used on "Iraqi rebels", with what the illustrious “statesman” described as “excellent moral effect” (quoted in David Omissi, Air Power and Colonial Control. The Royal Air Force, 1919-1939 [Manchester University Press, 1990]).
The RAF was also used to bomb and strafe Kurds and Iraqis before, during and after the revolt. A series on the “Secret History” TV program of Britain’s Channel 4 on “The RAF and the British Empire” (6 July 1992) interviewed a squadron leader, who said that if the tribespeople “were doing something they ought not to be doing then you shot them.” A commander remarked: “If the Kurds hadn’t learned by our example to behave themselves in a civilised way then we had to spank their bottoms. This was done by bombs and guns.” A colonel with the Royal Artillery noted in his diary that the burning of Arab villages made “a wonderful sight at night.” Earlier, Wing Commander Arthur Harris emphasized, “The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured.” The bloodthirsty Harris was later known as “Bomber Harris” (or, more to the point, Butcher Harris) during World War II, when he designed the firebombing of Dresden, Germany in February 1945 (see “U.S./British Massacre at Dresden”).
Britain used the suppression of the Iraqi revolt in order to test out new weapons. Devices developed for use against tribal villages included forerunners of napalm, air-to-ground missiles and fragmentation bombs. An Air Ministry list included: “Phosphorous bombs, war rockets, metal crowsfeet [to maim livestock], man-killing shrapnel, liquid fire, and delay-action bombs. Many of these weapons were first used in Kurdistan.”
Gertrude Bell, the Oriental Secretary in the Colonial Office, described a demonstration of the new technology: “They had made an imaginary village…and the first two bombs dropped from 3000 feet, went straight into the middle of it and set it alight…. Then they dropped bombs all round it, as if to catch the fugitives and finally fire bombs which even in the brightest sunlight made flares of bright flame in the desert. They burn through metal and water won’t extinguish them. At the end the armoured cars went out to round up the fugitives with machine guns” (quoted in Simons, Iraq: From Sumer to Saddam, which brings together reports of Britain’s use of poison gas and terror bombing of the civilian Iraqi population).
Today the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office, successor to the Colonial Office, professes horror at the suffering of the Kurds under Hussein’s rule, which has “included the use of chemical weapons” (Saddam Hussein: Crimes and Human Rights Abuses [November 2002]). Yet this is the bloody history of the British imperialists who claim to be friends of the Kurds! In March 1917, the commander of the Anglo-Indian Army of the Tigris, Lt.-General Stanley Maude, issued a proclamation upon entering Baghdad declaring that “Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies, but as liberators” (Robert Fisk, “The West Has Been Liberating the Middle East for Centuries,” Independent [London], 7 March).
"The population of Van - the "rebels" the "insurgents" have seeking refugee in the schools and the convents." "It´s EXPECTED that Turkey will mobilize the forth Army Corps and draw troops from Asia Minor in order to suppress the "uprising". It was announced from Constantinopel that a fierce "fight" between "Armenian insurgents and Turksih troops had occured at VAN. "About 150 Armenians "raided the town"..etc...etc..1937 - Dersim Massacre leaves 4,000 Kurds dead -gased in caves by Turkey.
Through out Turkey's history, and before, the Ottoman Empire's, who was ruled by the same Turkish people, they have committed the most horrendous and heinous crimes against the Kurdish population. The first documented Turkish genocide against the Kurdish nation goes back to as far as 1514 by Yavuz Sultan Salim of the Ottoman Empire where he murdered 40,000 Kurds in the city of Dersim. Between December 9 -1606 until August 5 - 1611, Ottoman's Emperor Ahmet I murdered almost 100,000 Kurdish Kilzilbash Alevis. Once again in 1937, the Republic of Turkey genocides more than 70,000 of the same Kurds who were brutally massacred about five centuries earlier, in the city of Dersim. And these three mentioned massacres and genocides are only the three out of the many documented and undocumented.
The Kurds tend to be shot rather than taken prisoners"
1806-1996 - 1,111,760 Kurds have died in 38 different revolts in kurdistan
1915-18 - 75,000 Turkish Kurds are killed in the Ottoman Empire
1924 - 36 Kurdish Villages are destoryed in Eastern Turkey
1925 - 280,000 Kurds are Killed in Eastern Turkey
1927 - 48 Kurdish Villages are destoryed in Eastern Turkey
1927 - 2,000 Kurds are killed at Diyarbakir & Agri
1937 - Dersim Massacre leaves 4,000 Kurds dead -gased in caves by Turkey
Killed: 1,507,372 ...Well..It´s obvious far more!
Deported: 3,000,000 Villages: 5,084 Injured: 16,208
That was THEN.. Then we have Iraq’s attack on the Kurds 1963-65 when in September 1964 the Iraqi ministry of defence had approached the British, West German, US and Soviet governments for an enquiry for an order of 60,000 gas marks for urgent delivery’. In ‘an account which we believe to be reliable, of the Army’s plan for putting an end to the Kurdish problem’.Persecution, torture, mass killings and displacement of Kurds by Saddam. Friday of Halabja 16 March 1988 Thousands displaced to Iran and chased at the border to Turkey. Turkey´s use of chemical weapons. Turkey´s use of landmines. Turkey´s state terror, murdering and lynchings. Mass killings in Iran and Syria for just as long. Chemical companies in Istanbul: Henkel Kimya Sanayi (Turkish-German), the Hochst Ilaç Fabrikasi (Turkish-German), and Roche Ilaç Sanayi (Turkish-Swiss).
With the recent regional elections on March 29, in which the Pro-Kurdish Party DTP firmly established itself as the key regional party in the Kurdish-populated areas in southeast Turkey, and took over the municipality of Igdir that had been governed by the ultra-nationalist party MHP for the past decade. Igdir is the province that borders Armenia, where the population consists of mainly Kurds and Azeris. The Kurdish political party DTP has now appealed for international support after hundreds of its officials were arrested in a crackdown by Turkish authorities. The Democratic Society party (DTP) has written to members of the European parliament asking them to speak out against the arrests, which follow the party's success in last month's local elections. A Turkish court last week sentenced the mayor of Diyarbakir, Osman Baydemir, and the mayor of Batman, Nejdet Atalay, to 10 months in jail. Baydemir had said that "neither soldiers nor guerrillas should die". For using the word "guerrillas" he was charged with "spreading PKK propaganda" and "inciting separatism". The DTP is also facing the threat of being shut down in a case before the constitutional court. Human rights groups have expressed concern at the targeting of the DTP. Britain, a strong backer of Turkey's EU membership bid, said "the arrests were a matter for the Turkish courts, but added that it supported pluralism."
In March of 2004 disturbances erupted at a football game in Qamishlo Syria. Scores of people, probably over a hundred, were killed by Syrian police using live ammunition to fire on unarmed crowds. http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=uuysl9NLi5k&feature=related
From the "turbulent tribals and rebels in Iraq to London"..
It shows a masked Turkish 'Special Forces' army personnel beating a young Kurdish boy of 14 years old unconscious with a machine gun and then being congratulated by a Turkish policeman who is wearing a gas mask. The young boy remains in hospital being observed for bleeding on the brain. The Turkish authorities have been busy gassing the children. Another boy of 14 died when running from the gas fired at him he reportedly fell over a cliff top. PKK´s declared case fires and the whole Kurdish peoples calls for solutions and peace does NOT protect the Kurdish people from being exposed to danger by Turkey and those supporting Turkey in several aspects.
Around 10 countries in the world are making preparations to open their consulate in Kurdistan region to build diplomatic relations with the region. Nearly 10 European will open consulates in Kurdistan region by the end of this year. It´s good for the people in Iraqi Kurdistan..But..........
Do not for ONE #¤%# SECOND believe your own participation in violations of human rights and humanity will go unrecognized! While you sits in Kurdistan with your own #¤## interests and claim it´s up "to the Turkish courts to do whatever they want with the Kurdish people after they have won elections in the province at the Armenian border,
or FOR one #¤## SECOND BELIVE YOU ARE THE ONES TO DECIDE THAT IT´S JUST MATTER FOR TURKEY!!
Well..Yeah..It´s the same #¤# thing here..Isn´t it!
He said 55-60 militants including some foreigners were killed in fighting in Buner over the last 24 hours, raising the death toll of militants to more than 170 in the region since Sunday. Hundreds of families were seen streaming out of the valley, their vehicles laden with belongings, including cattle. Abbas said security forces have destroyed several explosive-laden "suicide" motorbikes and vehicles parked by the militants in the battlezone to block advances of the forces. NWFP authorities on Friday opened talks with Sufi Mohammad who has acted as a go-between with the Taliban, in a renewed effort to stop violence. "Everything is being done to end militancy. Everything is being done for peace," Mian Iftikhar Hussain, the provincial information minister told reporters after talks with Mohammad in Timergara, in Lower Dir.
We suppose those bikes were not red and standing "Made in Iran" on them..Like those on the Turkish high way to hell through Syria into the Palestinian camps in Lebanon..While a few "Talibans" destroyed peace efforts and in fact cause thousands of deaths of their own "fellows" and al-Qaida is urging Muslims to kill more Muslims and U.S. officials says: Kill them all! While in fact the people in the region along the pipe lines are the ones getting displaced all from Baluchistan to the burnt down forests by Turkey!
Or maybe it´s "made in China"..Or "made in Taiwan"..It doesn´t matter really..What matters is the results and those are VERY CLEAR!
Maybe we have the answer on the standing question what the hell Britain was doing in Afghanistan in the 18th century now!
Aoutch..
We suppose those bikes were not red and standing "Made in Iran" on them..Like those on the Turkish high way to hell through Syria into the Palestinian camps in Lebanon..While a few "Talibans" destroyed peace efforts and in fact cause thousands of deaths of their own "fellows" and al-Qaida is urging Muslims to kill more Muslims and U.S. officials says: Kill them all! While in fact the people in the region along the pipe lines are the ones getting displaced all from Baluchistan to the burnt down forests by Turkey!
Or maybe it´s "made in China"..Or "made in Taiwan"..It doesn´t matter really..What matters is the results and those are VERY CLEAR!
Maybe we have the answer on the standing question what the hell Britain was doing in Afghanistan in the 18th century now!
Aoutch..
Along the Turkish/Syrian/Iranian/Britain´s/The U.S./ NATO/Russian and you name it.. high way to hell..
"Given that we have DTP guarding the Turkish border with Armenian in Iğdır after throwing off the stranglehold of the MHP on 29 March."
Public meeting: The Baluch - Invisible victims of the ‘War on Terror’
Tuesday, 5 May, 7pm
Committee Room 4a, House of Lords
Baluchistan human rights activists, Hyrbyair Marri and Faiz Baluch, were acquitted of terrorism charges by a London court on 11 February 2009. The 15-month case served to highlight the close cooperation between the UK and Pakistan governments in the so-called “war on terror”. Defending Baluch, Baroness Helena Kennedy QC said he was a “casualty of geopolitics” and the US led war on terror. The Baluchi people, long enduring fierce repression, have been campaigning for democracy, human rights and self-determination. Repression was intensified during the former regime of General Musharraf, but there has been little let up since the change of government in Pakistan. Baluchistan is the largest of Pakistan's four provinces, but the region cuts across the borders in to Afghanistan and Iran. The Baluch are one of the world’s unrecognised nations now struggling for survival in the face of “unprecedented levels of repression”, and “suffering a slow death” in the words of Helena Kennedy QC.
During the trial of the two activists, even the prosecution accepted the Baluchi people were an oppressed minority, and that they have been victims of war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Pakistani military, police and intelligence services. There has been indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas, extra-judicial killings, disappearances, torture, detention without trial and collective punishments such as the destruction of villages, crops and livestock.
These countless violations of international law largely go unnoticed by political leaders in the democracies of the West because they are keen to maintain their close strategic alliance with Pakistan. It is time that these policies were changed and that the Baluch were granted the legitimate rights enjoyed by the peoples of the world. The meeting is sponsored by CAMPACC www.campacc.org.uk
For information contact Estella estella24@tiscali.co.uk tel 020 7586 5892
KurdishMedia.com
"Keen to maintain their close strategic alliance." Yeah...JUST as during the Armenian genocide!
"Right-wing demonstrators make the Nazi salute during a rally marking International Workers' Day, or Labour Day, in Moscow May 1."
Yeah..."legitimized"! "Legitimized genocidal "war-fares" against humanity" ! ALL by your #¤## selves!
A al Qaeda commander in a message that appeared on Islamist websites on Thursday urged Pakistanis to rise up against their government."
Yeah..We know by now it´s NOT about "Muslims defending Muslims" with millions of Muslims deaths caused by Muslims, but to "generate and maintain" #¤## genocidal "war-fares" not just against Muslims but against humanity! The crass sordid reality IS that al-Qaida have the same #¤## interests as Lockheed Martin, Cobham company, others interests along the pipe lines, the psychopathic regimes in Iran, Syria and Turkey and ever other "#"# criminal!
"The Kurdistan government wants to maintain their close ties with the Iranian government. The KRG and Iran signed several trade agreements before."
Yeah..The Kurds were divided and conquered. And Syria in their cooperation with both Turkey and the regime in Iran "supported" PKK, while PJAK have their war -fare at the "other side of the border" and in the end it´s PKK that ends up jailed in Syria, Cobham company and Loockheed Martin gets in their cash, while Kurds are chased from Kurdistan to be harassed in the streets in Germany and Britain, and the Kurds are undermined on all fronts in a "genocidal war-fare against terrorism"! Not that Hamas have learned anything from it!
Public meeting: The Baluch - Invisible victims of the ‘War on Terror’
Tuesday, 5 May, 7pm
Committee Room 4a, House of Lords
Baluchistan human rights activists, Hyrbyair Marri and Faiz Baluch, were acquitted of terrorism charges by a London court on 11 February 2009. The 15-month case served to highlight the close cooperation between the UK and Pakistan governments in the so-called “war on terror”. Defending Baluch, Baroness Helena Kennedy QC said he was a “casualty of geopolitics” and the US led war on terror. The Baluchi people, long enduring fierce repression, have been campaigning for democracy, human rights and self-determination. Repression was intensified during the former regime of General Musharraf, but there has been little let up since the change of government in Pakistan. Baluchistan is the largest of Pakistan's four provinces, but the region cuts across the borders in to Afghanistan and Iran. The Baluch are one of the world’s unrecognised nations now struggling for survival in the face of “unprecedented levels of repression”, and “suffering a slow death” in the words of Helena Kennedy QC.
During the trial of the two activists, even the prosecution accepted the Baluchi people were an oppressed minority, and that they have been victims of war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Pakistani military, police and intelligence services. There has been indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas, extra-judicial killings, disappearances, torture, detention without trial and collective punishments such as the destruction of villages, crops and livestock.
These countless violations of international law largely go unnoticed by political leaders in the democracies of the West because they are keen to maintain their close strategic alliance with Pakistan. It is time that these policies were changed and that the Baluch were granted the legitimate rights enjoyed by the peoples of the world. The meeting is sponsored by CAMPACC www.campacc.org.uk
For information contact Estella estella24@tiscali.co.uk tel 020 7586 5892
KurdishMedia.com
"Keen to maintain their close strategic alliance." Yeah...JUST as during the Armenian genocide!
"Right-wing demonstrators make the Nazi salute during a rally marking International Workers' Day, or Labour Day, in Moscow May 1."
Yeah..."legitimized"! "Legitimized genocidal "war-fares" against humanity" ! ALL by your #¤## selves!
A al Qaeda commander in a message that appeared on Islamist websites on Thursday urged Pakistanis to rise up against their government."
Yeah..We know by now it´s NOT about "Muslims defending Muslims" with millions of Muslims deaths caused by Muslims, but to "generate and maintain" #¤## genocidal "war-fares" not just against Muslims but against humanity! The crass sordid reality IS that al-Qaida have the same #¤## interests as Lockheed Martin, Cobham company, others interests along the pipe lines, the psychopathic regimes in Iran, Syria and Turkey and ever other "#"# criminal!
"The Kurdistan government wants to maintain their close ties with the Iranian government. The KRG and Iran signed several trade agreements before."
Yeah..The Kurds were divided and conquered. And Syria in their cooperation with both Turkey and the regime in Iran "supported" PKK, while PJAK have their war -fare at the "other side of the border" and in the end it´s PKK that ends up jailed in Syria, Cobham company and Loockheed Martin gets in their cash, while Kurds are chased from Kurdistan to be harassed in the streets in Germany and Britain, and the Kurds are undermined on all fronts in a "genocidal war-fare against terrorism"! Not that Hamas have learned anything from it!
Yeah...Like another #¤# "ship of slaves" in others genocidal "war-fares"!
May Day protesters clashed with riot police in Germany, Turkey and Greece while thousands took to the streets in France. We suppose those riot police are workers as well.."Slaves watching slaves"..While the #"## Nazzrollah sits on his A** like a "#" DIVA, with food on the table a gigantic screen and do not have to do a #¤## thing other than send out some with some remote controls, while claiming to have "won" something over genocidal "war-fares", deaths and disasters, in the "legitimized resistance against humanity" aided by Germany, Loockheed Martin and Cobham company!
Respect your workers and guest workers in the region! They are IN FACT a huge part of the face you are showing up to the rest of the world! The global slavery days are #¤## over!
The situation varies among Arab countries, in some places worse than others. Everybody agrees that Filipinos are the best off while Bangladeshis usually get the worst treatment. In most oil-rich Gulf countries, migrant workers are found in all sectors of the job market. Kuwaitis, Saudis, Qataris and others rely on migrant workers to run the daily business from restaurants to shops and taxis, and even some public sector jobs.
For some 825,000 Kuwaitis, there are 1.4 million foreign workers. Some 290,000 Filipinos went to the Middle East to work in 2000, making it the second leading destination for the 840,000 Filipinos who leave home each year. Arab countries represent five of the top 10 host countries for Filipinos, including Saudi Arabia which is their No 1 destination. Even countries such as Lebanon and Jordan have thousands of guest workers. Lebanon has 55,000 registered migrant workers of which 6,000 are Filipinos, but the real figure is at least double that because of workers without legal papers.
More than 90 percent of women migrant workers in non-Gulf Cooperation Countries (GCC) are in domestic work. Most of those countries have laws that give precedence to locals in employment -- and only jobs for which no locals are found can be given to foreigners. Domestic work is shunned by all locals so it is handed over to Asians, who make up a good number of the migrant labourers.
Ray Jureidini, professor at the department of social and behavioral sciences of the American University in Beirut, says the working and living conditions of foreign domestic workers make them modern-day slaves. In a study he did, Jureidini established that what characterises slavery historically applies to domestic workers in Lebanon and by extrapolation, to the rest of the Arab world. ''There is threat of violence against them, as well violence and verbal abuse, their movements are restricted and they are in exploited in their work," he says.
Verbal abuse and violence are common in households and can reach frightening proportions, such as beating, dragging by the hair and starvation, he adds. Restrictions of movement often starts at the airport when the foreign worker's passport is taken away at passport control and handed over to her employer, who keeps it. Then there are restrictions on her outings, which are limited to one day per week, or even none at all. "Maids are exploited most of the time. When I asked them what their job consisted of, their answer was 'everything', cleaning, cooking, looking after the children. They work up to 18, 20 hours a day, they don't have their own room to sleep in, they don't have a proper contract,'' says Jureidini.
He says that unlike the West where domestic workers, whether live-in or part-time, are hired to allow the women to find paid jobs outside the home, in the Arab world it is usually to make it easier for the women to pursue their social lives and activities. Because of domestic workers' low status, there are also cases of sexual abuse, mostly in the Gulf. According to experts, domestic workers are very often viewed as the employer's property and should thus oblige his needs, whether it is cleaning or sexual satisfaction. To satisfy their needs, employers' sons often taken it out on the domestic worker. Because local women are off bounds, there are also many brothel-like venues in what is known as 'bachelor houses' in Gulf countries, such as Saudi Arabia.
In the case of physical abuse, Jureidini's most interesting finding is that whenever domestic workers are beaten, they are generally hit by the 'madam', as the mistress is referred to. Part of the problem is the lack of proper legal protection for the workers. Employment agencies are the first to contribute to miserable working conditions through contracts that spell out more duties than rights, exorbitant sums requested from the employee to fly her to the guest country and provide her with a job that is often not what she was promised. According to those involved in helping the migrant workers in their host countries, the agencies are also often at the centre of rings of prostitution.
Discrimination against migrant workers starts in the laws of the guest countries, and there is usually very little tolerance in Muslim countries toward those of other religions and beliefs. Foreigners are subjected to the same laws, at times applied with more seriousness. In Saudi Arabia, some 300 Asians have been executed in the past nine years. There are different types of visas for migrant workers in Kuwait, 'visa 18' for general work and 'visa 20' for domestic workers. 'Visa 20' means workers are not protected by labour law but are under the jurisdiction of the ministry of interior. If a domestic worker gets pregnant out of wedlock, she is deported immediately. Very often, the employer himself got the domestic worker pregnant, but she still has to pay for the consequences. If a married couple of domestic workers have a baby, the child is also sent out of Kuwait almost immediately after birth.
These double standards in the law, found also in other labour-receiving countries, is something activists want removed on the basis that migrants do not lose their human rights when they go to a foreign land. ''The starting point is that migrant workers are human beings, not commodities,'' explains Malou Alcid of the Manila-based Kanlungan Centre for Migrant Workers. ''They sell their labour, not their dignity and humanity. They are in labour-importing countries because the economy needs them.'' But ''globalisation renders migrant workers economically necessary but socially undesirable,'' Alcid adds. Meantime, Filipino women in Kuwait who get caught in prostitution rings, or opt for it because of the money, are usually considered high-class sex workers. One Kuwait man said they are highly prized because their skin color is lighter than other Asians, they are educated and speak English. In Lebanon, there was a trend of massage parlours where Filipino women would provide massages and 'some extra', but many have been busted by the vice squad. Tales of working conditions in them were dire, to the extent that women risked their lives trying to escape, jumping out windows and cares. In Lebanon, no laws forbid migrant workers to have a child, even outside wedlock. But while there are no deportations, it is very difficult to get a birth certificate and legalise the child's presence in the country. Many women come to the Afro Asian Migrant Worker Centre in Beirut when they get pregnant, either after they were raped or after a relationship with a boyfriend who left them.
At the centre, Sister Amelia from the Philippines welcomes them all but has a few conditions: no abortions, no selling of the baby and a pledge to take care of the child. When she receives a phone call from a girl who is being ''touched by Sir'', her advice is to run away immediately, even without papers, and to come to the centre. In countries where religious freedoms are protected, such as Kuwait, Lebanon, Jordan, the Catholic Church plays an important role in the life of overseas workers, mainly Filipinos, most of whom are Catholic. But the lack of protection for domestic workers in the Arab world and the abuses this leads to, is actually a worldwide problem, since domestic work is part of the informal work sector and not recognised anywhere as a full-fledged paid job. 'This is part of the larger struggle to recognise housework done by women at home,'' says Mary Kawar of the International Labour Organisation in Beirut. ''Since the work of domestic help is considered an extension of the wife's work, they are also not protected by labour law, anywhere in the world.''
The ILO is conducting studies in several Arab countries to establish where the abuses lie and how to address them. Whatever their recommendations, it will not be easy to convince guest countries to implement them. Experts see several reasons for this: Human rights records in the region are dire and labour laws are far from ideal for locals. For countries to consider improving the working conditions of foreign workers, they should first be convinced to improve the lives of their own people.
Inter Press Service
It´s #"%¤ ridiculous!
GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli aircraft destroyed four smuggling tunnels under the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt on Friday in the first air strike in almost two months, local residents and the Israeli military said.
Israel is having their "strategic alliance" with Turkey, while Turkey is "solving their problems" with clubbing children, Kurds and Turkish workers and bombing Kurdish areas as they have done for decades. And are having a genocidal "war-fare" together with the SAME #¤## supporters of Hezbollah at the rocket tranpsoration border, remote controls and staged attacks, meetings in Damascus with Hamas that praises Turkey, while Turkey together with the "legitimized Syrian resistance" and Hezbollah supporters are causing both deaths, environmental and humanitarian disasters in both Iraq and Gaza! With weapon aid by the U.S., Germany and Britain, while their own #¤## troops are exposed to the same #¤## "genocidal-war against terror-resistance"!
Israel is having their "strategic alliance" with Turkey, while Turkey is "solving their problems" with clubbing children, Kurds and Turkish workers and bombing Kurdish areas as they have done for decades. And are having a genocidal "war-fare" together with the SAME #¤## supporters of Hezbollah at the rocket tranpsoration border, remote controls and staged attacks, meetings in Damascus with Hamas that praises Turkey, while Turkey together with the "legitimized Syrian resistance" and Hezbollah supporters are causing both deaths, environmental and humanitarian disasters in both Iraq and Gaza! With weapon aid by the U.S., Germany and Britain, while their own #¤## troops are exposed to the same #¤## "genocidal-war against terror-resistance"!
It´s #"## corrupt! All the way from planted remote controls at the rocket tranpsortation border, Hezbollah forums in Istanbul to NATO and the UN!
JERUSALEM – A U.N. agency has asked Israel to freeze demolitions of Arab homes in east Jerusalem. The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs says in a report Friday that only 13 percent of east Jerusalem is zoned for Palestinian construction.
Not a #¤## word of peace in the region and Turkey´s, Syria´s "genocidal "war-fare against terrorism since the 20s"! Not a "#" WORD about the most gross violations against every "#"" article ever written! The hard work by some to demoralize the U.N. and it´s grounds it was established has succeeded! With some help by Britain´s and the U.S. weapon affairs and lobbyists! Well..Then do not #¤## complain about violations against humanity when you actually are aiding a declaration of war against humanity! Ones again: That´s what we all are risking our lives and dying for!
Just don´t sit and pretend as the rest of us knows very well THERE ARE NO #¤## DIFFERENCES BETWEEN GENOCIDES AND GENOCIDES!
Not a #¤## word of peace in the region and Turkey´s, Syria´s "genocidal "war-fare against terrorism since the 20s"! Not a "#" WORD about the most gross violations against every "#"" article ever written! The hard work by some to demoralize the U.N. and it´s grounds it was established has succeeded! With some help by Britain´s and the U.S. weapon affairs and lobbyists! Well..Then do not #¤## complain about violations against humanity when you actually are aiding a declaration of war against humanity! Ones again: That´s what we all are risking our lives and dying for!
Just don´t sit and pretend as the rest of us knows very well THERE ARE NO #¤## DIFFERENCES BETWEEN GENOCIDES AND GENOCIDES!
Portrait of Hezbullah leader Hasan Nazznolla in Istanbul. The enigmatic figure of Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish-born U.S. resident who runs an extensive Islamic movement in Turkey, has been warned by the Hezbollahi Kurdi - HK against making further statements critical of Hezbollah.
Gulen recently argued that the Kurdistan Workers Party (Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan - PKK) and other "terrorist organizations" were formed by the Turkish “deep state,” but went out of control. The Turkish “deep state” (derin devlet) is a clandestine ultra-nationalist alliance alleged to include notable members of the Turkish media, armed forces, judiciary, organized crime and security services. According to Gulen: “Some circles in Turkey [i.e. The Deep State]… formed these terrorist organizations "themselves".
These organizations spun out of the control of these circles due to a conflict of interests related to drug and arms trafficking. "Then another team of brigands was formed in opposition to these organizations, such as Hezbollah.”Gulen added that those forces behind the formation of the terrorist organizations within Turkey “may now be plotting new conspiracies in Turkey” (Today’s Zaman, April 9). In issuing its warning, the Hezbollah Press Office declared the movement has abandoned violence, though some unrelated groups could use their name for violent actions: “This time the Fethullah Gulen group is trying to ignite an atmosphere of conflict. Gulen and his group are aware of the fact that they cannot act in this dangerous manner...” (Haberkapisi, April 21).
Hezbollahi Kurdi is a militant Islamist organization founded by the late Huseyin Velioglu (killed by Turkish security forces in 2000) with the goal of establishing a Kurdish Islamist state (see Eurasia Daily Monitor, March 12). Though it had a short alliance with the PKK in 1993 against the Turkish state, Hezbollah was allegedly used by the Turkish security forces against the PKK and Kurdish activists during the 1990s, when HK became known for the torture and murder of Kurds that it believed to be in favour of creating an independent socialist Kurdish state. Hezbollah has declared it is firmly against “PKK communism.” Hezbollah has also broadcast a YouTube video in which the ethnic-Kurdish Democratic Society Party (Demokratik Toplum Partisi - DTP) was depicted as an anti-Islamic organization. Since 2004, Hezbollah claims to have abandoned its armed struggle and to have reinvented itself as a charity organization. The movement has also undergone ideological changes – it now rejects the Turkish state and pursues Kurdish nationalist objectives (Neue Zürcher Zeitung, December 29, 2006). Hezbollah now engages in activities similar to those of the Gulen movement, which focuses on education, religious inclusiveness and the inclusion of modern science in Islam. Hezbollah has established its own non-profit organizations, media, trade activities and even its own music groups, such as the female Peygamber Sevdalilari (“Those who love the Prophet”), a group that performed at a Hezbollah meeting in Diyarbakir in March. Turkish security forces apparently believe that Hezbollah is not as far removed from militancy as it claims. On April 27, Turkish security forces rounded up at least 20 members of Hezbullah’s “Ilim” branch during raids on Ilim bookstores, offices and houses in Elazig and Malatya (Today’s Zaman, April 28). This followed earlier roundups in March and February (Zaman, March 17; Dogan News Agency, February 18). On April 21, eleven Hezbollah members were indicted on charges of “establishing and leading an armed terrorist organization.” According to the indictment, Hezbollah has tried to “conceal its real face” through a change of strategy since 2003: "It has been understood that the terrorist organization tried to conceal its real face that had been exposed, especially on 17 January 2000 [the day Hezbollah founder Huseyin Velioglu was killed]. The organization tried to achieve this goal by appearing to show interest in the people's problems and by introducing its activities as innocent activities. It tried to recruit new grass roots [members] through activities that would be praised by the entire community (such as soup kitchens, the Palestinian issue, mass rain prayers, etc.)…" (Anatolia, April 23). With an estimated two million followers, the Gülen movement has close ties with the current Islam-oriented Justice and Development Party (Adalet ve Kalkinma Partisi – AKP) government. Gulen’s followers have created a huge network of businesses, foundations, charities, and media outlets, including the popular daily newspapers Zaman (in Turkish) and Today’s Zaman (in English), as well as the television channel Samanyolu (“Silk Road)” (see Eurasia Daily Monitor, November 21, 2007). Hezbollah has become increasingly active in the region, organizing mass political and religious meetings in Diyarbakir (January 4 and March 8) and in Batman (April 12). During pro-Palestinian demonstrations, Hezbollah members warned against the influence of Israel and America. Gulen is certainly aware of these Hezbollah-organized events in which thousands of Kurdish Muslims participated. In February there were clashes between Hezbollah and PKK supporters in Adana (Dogan News, February 2, 2009). Before the March 29 local elections, HK said in a statement that they would remain neutral in the political process. At that time there were suggestions that the Kurdish Islamist organization would support the AKP, but Huseyin Yilmaz, the General Secretary of the Hezbollah front organization Mustazaf-Der, said the group wouldn’t support any political party (Habereditor.com, March 23). Yilmaz declared that the election system wasn’t based on Islam and that they will follow the example of the Kurdish theologian Said Nursi (1878-1960), who didn’t participate in the political system of the Turkish republic for religious reasons. Said Nursi’s Nurcu movement, which advocates combining scientific and religious education, is also the foundation of the Gulen movement.The Gulen-owned media often report that Hezbollah, the PKK and other militant organizations have good ties with or are used by Ergenekon, a criminal network tied to the deep state and accused of plotting to overthrow the AKP government. They have also been prominent in reporting Hezbollah’s involvement in extrajudicial killings in the southeast. Bones found during excavations of “Ergenekon death wells” were the remains of missing people “allegedly killed by Hezbollah in 1990.”
Again and again the Gulen media depicts Hezbollah as a “terrorist organization that reportedly has links to an illegal group within the gendarmerie known as JITEM [Jandarma Istihbarat ve Terorle Mucadele - Gendarmerie Intelligence and Counterterrorism]” (Today’s Zaman, March 18). The possible revelation of links between Ergenekon and Hezbollah could weaken Hezbollah’s legitimacy in southeast Turkey
By: Wladimir van Wilgenburg
Notes:[1] The movement is also known as the Turkish Hezbollah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-IWmYA_ogs&feature=related,
March 30, 2008.[3]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOI-EYGdjww&feature=related
So...What is Turkey doing about their "problems"? Today they are clubbing Kurds and Turkish workers yesterday they clubbed children and bombed Kurdish areas as they have done for decades. And are having a genocidal "war-fare" together with the supporters of Hezbollah at the rocket tranpsoration border causing both enviromental and humanitarian diasters in both Iraq and Gaza! With weapon aid by the U.S., Germany and Britain, while their own #¤## troops are exposed to the same #¤## "genocidal-war against terror-resistance", like on another ship of slaves!Yeah..Some are actually working for destruction like they gets paid..
BUNER VALLEY, Pakistan (Reuters) – Taliban militants kidnapped 10 Pakistani paramilitaries in an attack on their headquarters on Friday as Islamic militants fought back against an army offensive in the troubled northwest.
Who sabotaged then the peace agreement? Obviously the elements amongst the "Taliban" who have links with those that do not want peace in the region and beyond did not want peace.It´s really nothing new, we see it being done by Turkey every #¤## day!
Who sabotaged then the peace agreement? Obviously the elements amongst the "Taliban" who have links with those that do not want peace in the region and beyond did not want peace.It´s really nothing new, we see it being done by Turkey every #¤## day!
At the same time Turkey is working on pluralism and democracy in the same "war on terror".
Turkish police clash with May Day protesters...Detain DTP members and clubs totally unprotected "rebel Kurds and children" at the same hills where the Armenians was clubbed to death as the "tend to get shot rather than taken prisoners". And together with the "Syrian resistance against every one" and the Iranian regime along the rocket transportation border, takes the whole #"¤ Iraq and region into both a environmental and humanitarian destruction. Never mind those defending the "Turkish war on terror" like the "defenders of pluralism against 14 year old rebels since 20s" like Cobham company and Lockheed Martin, expose their own #¤## troops to the same #¤# "legitimized resistance-war on terror"!
As we said: That´s what we all have and are risking our lives and dying for!
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